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My success rate is approximately 1 per 1000. I suppose that is better than some guys however.

Also, I see no reason to exclude paying for sex, although I have not done that. I see no practical difference between the two cases, in fact, I would say there are many more possibilities than "genuine relationship" versus "paying for sex." For example in many cases a woman will attach herself to a man for very specific personal benefits, and offer sex as an inducement or occasional reward.

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Far more than that. All I said was the ratio is approximately 1 to 1000 or perhaps even worse than that. The ratio is more important than the absolute number.

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I am a great believer in statistics: I was trained to think this way from a very young age. When I was a child my father would sometimes invite his work friends to dinner: men whose names you might recognize from the history of linear programming, dynamic programming, and statistical analysis. My view is that statistics gives an incomplete, biased, and sometimes misleading view of reality, however, we have no better tool to characterize reality than statistics. For example, many people disagree with statistical mechanics and spend their lives trying to build perpetual motion machines of various clever designs, but no exceptions to the laws of thermodynamics have ever been observed in nature or in man's inventions.

I assume by "fail rate, 100%" you mean "100% failure rate." It was a bit hard to parse.

I'm definitely not LS by the strictest definition, I've tried to ask out probably in the neighborhood of 10 to 15 girls, after getting to know them well. The rejections I endured were so awful that I'm afraid of trying anymore.

When I hear of guys enduring 100s or 1000s of rejections, I ask myself, how do they do it? How do they endure it with their dignity intact? I would get disgusted with things long before then.

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Actually, a have experienced many rejections trying at night clubs for example. But what really a rejection we should consider to be? Refuse to communicate, lack of real interest? And what kind of communication it was, what kind of actual situation? At night clubs my relative formal "success" rate is about 10%.

No need to apologise emptyinside, in my estimation I have been rejected over 200 times (I have a rather forensic memory) over a 30 year period ie.1977 -2007, with a 100% failure rate, however most of the rejections I copped did not even get to the stage where I asked the woman out for her to say no, I knew I had been rejected by the negative body language aka "the instant fuck off signals". As for Grim Reaper, what can I say?, I truly and sincerely feel sorry for you, but at the same time I admire your mental toughness in order to be able to maintain your sanity, if I had been rejected 1,000 times I would have taken my own life.

It's a fucked up world we live in, when decent men have to endure hundreds, sometimes thousands of rejections just to find a least one woman, no wonder the male suicide rate is 3 to 4 times higher than that of women. If women had to endure that level of rejection, I am sure the female suicide rate would skyrocket.

I have to laugh when I hear women complain about being rejected, because let's be honest do women have any concept or idea what it's like to be rejected hundreds, sometimes thousands of times?? I don't think so.

Sorry to hear this OA, and I may I ask (it it's not too painful), were all 10 to 15 rejection of a cruel nature?

I gave up after 200 rejections (the last one was in December 2007), I just can't take it anymore, plus I want to preserve my dignity and self esteem, and as for you OA, once again I very sorry to hear that you have been treated very poorly by women, you certainly deserve better than that.

The thing is that the rejection doesn't have to be cruel to cause a lot of pain. The very few (less than five) times I've made my intentions "obvious" (I've never blatantly asked a girl out) and they all politely by uncomfortably rejected me. The fact that I'm making a girl I like uncomfortable by my liking her hurts a lot. I think of how they would feel having a man they did not want asking them out and I just can't stand to be the cause of that kind of discomfort in a girl I liked. I know that sounds really pathetic but it honestly feels like a phobia - the thought of it makes my stomach cramp. Thankfully I've never experienced a cruel rejection, perhaps because I'm attracted to the shy type, so I can't compare. But I do know that I'm very unlikely to put myself through another polite rejection.

I have had a couple of drunken sexual (making out) encounters with women at parties, and a few girls flirting while drunk. But even if you end up in a drunken one night stand, if the girl wants nothing to do with you when sober then that is a rejection in my opinion. I think the one thing that is not a rejection is a girl wanting to have sex with you on a regular basis, many girls will be flirty and friendly to you as a once off but that means nothing.

I estimate 500+. My fail rate was 99%, so I am not sure which option to select for that.

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