This is what turns me off most women. It's like they just want what they want, and the entire concept or loyalty, or commitment is just some shackle they feel the need to shed. That's fucking ugly man. It's gross.

Yeah, if a lovely guy has long term relationship goals that I'm not going to be able to participate in, not wasting his time seems like the proper thing to do. Especially for the occasional guy who wants to get married or have kids in the near future. Tons of girls my age want to settle down, why distract him from meeting one of them?

I'm all about online dating. You get to put what you're looking for on your profile so everything's pretty up front. If it's someone I've met through a friend or elsewhere, I mention what I'm looking for on the first date, which is usually pretty low stress.

What about the concepts of consistency and loyalty though? Those are just totally thrown out the window?

Consistency in dating? It's not really an issue. My life is pretty unstable at the moment. Trying to develop a stable relationship with a long term outlook when I'm not sure what country I'll be in next year doesn't seem practical. Also, far more importantly, not really something I'm into at the moment.

Loyalty to partners is still a pretty big thing. Just because you're in short term or casual relationships with someone isn't any reason to be less honest, loyal and kind to them. I'm still in contact with a lot of my former partners who are generally great folks. I can't imagine ever having done something to undermine them, while we were dating or in the present.

Not every relationship has to last forever to be mutually positive for both partners. Which is something I think a lot of people overlook today. If you have a relationship that was overall positive, let you to continue to develop yourselves while in it and was both conducted and ended in an open, honest way, that's pretty great. Even if you don't stay together till one of you dies.

Yeah, reading such statements on LS com makes me wonder too - where the hell are loyal and truly loving women? All of them disappeared? This is what happens in modern western societies where individualism is so worshipped: random hook ups with no committment, meaningless sex, hedonism, no emotional investment, no guilt or shame, no responsibility and no obligation. Just random sexual escapades, dates that lead to nowhere, fun, excitement and validation through rampant socializing.

How large do you roughly think this type of demapraghic is?

No idea. Of course I'm going to meet more guys who are looking for casual relationships if I'm actively seeking them out. Out of my friends though, I can only think of one or two other folks who are doing the same thing right now. Most everyone seems to be in a serious relationship or looking for one.

Erebus nailed it. Most women these days seem to be looking to sleep with as many guys they consider attractive as possible. In this environment, ls and incel men are not going to do well and we don't. I'm trying to find a girl who's not a slut, who actually values relationships.

Good luck with that. Don't seem to be too many woman that are like that now.

I'm trying to look as well, but no luck. If ever anyone of us on this board claims to finds one, I'll be incredulous. Even hundreds of years ago, men knew this to be so. John Donne, a brilliant metaphysical poet writing in a time before hyperfast information flow, knew of this: women cannot be faithful; a faithful woman is strangling Oxymoron. Take a look at his Song written in 1633:
All strange wonders that befell thee,
And swear
No where
Lives a woman true, and fair
If thou find'st one, let me know,
Such a pilgrimmage were sweet;
Yet do not, I would not go,
Though she were true when you met her,
And last till you write your letter,
Yet she
Will be
False, ere I come, to two, or three.

I love that last line. Not even before he can compose the letter, and run to her can he prevent her from breaking faith with him with a few men.

What I don't understand is how girls know they will never like a guy romantically. When
they meet she gets an impression of him and decides whether she will give him a shot or
not. I've heard many girls say, "I knew I would never be attracted to him." How can they
know how they will feel or how life will change their thoughts and feelings in the future?
Sure there are girls I have met and instantly been attracted to. There are many other
girls I have met that only after a good time of coming to know them and being around
them that I grew to have attraction for. Many girls seem to think if they aren't attracted
to you now, there is no way they could ever be.

Ego boost, I guess?

Because they could never be. An above average amount of girls base attraction on first impressions. It seems to be sort of how they're hardwired biologically.

Completely right.

I change my first impression on people sometimes. I don't pay a girl much thought initially, and only later do I start to like her. Girls very rarely do this with guys. The first impression is everything.

They are out there. They're as rare as flawless diamonds and get snatched up quickly, but they do exist.

My almost-fiance of 10 years ago was like this. As much as some of her issues would have made life difficult, I often wish a thousand times over I had not broken it off with her.