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(I'm from USA) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Newt Gingrich 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Mitt Romney 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Rick Santorum 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Ron Paul 38%  38%  [ 12 ]
I don't care, all I care about is that Obama wins 19%  19%  [ 6 ]
I am not interested in politics or at least this election 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
(I'm not from USA) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Newt Gingrich 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Mitt Romney 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Rick Santorum 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Ron Paul 13%  13%  [ 4 ]
I don't care, all I care about is that Obama wins 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
I am not interested in politics or at least this election 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
I don't know much or anything about USA politics 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
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 Post subject: Re: GOP primaries vol.2
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But perhaps the most obvious thing to enjoy about him is his ability to string a series of words together without tripping over them, inventing a few of his own, or putting his foot in his mouth. In other words, he can make a speech without sounding like a fucking idiot. Wish I could say the same for newt, mitt, or rick.


So your criteria (like millions of other americans) for a president is based more on taste, style and personality than actual policy? Let me ask you this, if Bush had a 'D' next to his name instead of an 'R', spoke with an eloquent northern cosmopolitan accent, was a vegetarian and didn't wear cowboy hats, would this change your opinion of him? Do keep in mind this is still the same president who 1) focused on education, 2) reformed medicare, 3) tripled the foreign aid budget to Africa to fight HIV/AIDS 4) called for amnesty for 11 million illegal immigrants before he left office 5) spent far more money on domestic programs as a whole than Bill Clinton and was the most fiscally liberal Republican president ever. Add in the aforementioned character adjustments and would you still harbor such an angry disdain for him? Huh, I doubt it.

Vegetarian has nothing to do with anything, at all, ever. Why you would pull that entirely out of your ass escapes me. Accent has nothing to do with it either. You can be from texas and not talk like an idiot. There's a reason "Bushisms" exist.

No it's more about starting 2 unwinable wars, and being a magnificent fuck up for 8 years. His fiscal position left us in the sorry state we were in at the end of his term. No child left behind sure was a winning strategy. The patriot act. Being liberal with money didn't really get us anywhere. I like how you took the little endy bit there at the end and focused entirely on that though.

I'm real proud of newt for having a phd. That must have been a big accomplishment for him. In "modern European history" no less. Wow fucking useful that one.

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I'm real proud of newt for having a phd. That must have been a big accomplishment for him. In "modern European history" no less. Wow fucking useful that one.


I can't think of what I'd value more in a president than an understanding of history. Maybe if O-Bummer knew something about European history, he'd stop trying to turn us into them.

Gingrich 2012! I'm ready to bring back the balanced budgets and prosperity of the late 90's! Oh, those were Clinton's accomplishments? If a Democratic President is all it takes to have those things, why can't O-Bummer deliver them? :lol:

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Gingrich "balanced" the budget by raiding the social security trust fund.

For those few years of economic good times, now SS is going broke, seniors aren't getting cost of living increases to keep up with inflation (they changed the cpi index under Obama using asinine reasoning... the real inflation rate is currently 9-10%). This is a defacto cut in benefits that is devastating to seniors who are totally dependent on that as their sole source of income, as well as the disabled. As that is the majority of my family at this point I see the misery this has caused first hand all around me. This is money they had worked their whole lives and paid into, for the specified purpose of retirement or disability, not some welfare like entitlement. They were literally robbed.

If it were up to me Newt would be behind bars, along with Clinton and Obama. They all had a hand in this mess.

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After Wisconsin, the GOP establishment and media act like they are ready to coronate Mitt Romney right now....

Unfortunately for them, it isn't anywhere close to over yet. It may be over for also-rans Santonrum and Gingrich.... but ignored by the consolidated corporate media or not, the Ron Paul movement has been picking up delegates like gangbusters and steamrolling ahead. So much that the GOP has taken to flagrant violations of their own rules in order to try and stop it. But they are not getting away with it and heads are rolling as a result.

Obviously they wouldn't be pulling this kind of chicanery against a guy who has no chance....



As the sociopathic warmongers at the top of the party pyramid are willing to break any law and scorch the earth to prevent a real reformer from gaining a foothold, I am sure they will pull some bullshit at the national convention to prevent Ron Paul from coming up to a vote even if he does get a majority of (stealth) delegates.

But it will only result in the reelection of Barack Obama. I think the most likely outcome is that these primary fiascos will be the final deathknell of the Republican party.

If that is what they want, then so be it. One down, one to go I say.

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Mitt Romney already has the nomination in the bag and unless he seriously fucks up he's well on his way to a victory in November.


Well, I agree that Romney will be the GOP candidate, but I still think Obama will get a second term, regardless.

In fact I hope he does, since the odds of a new civil war will increase if he does become a lame duck president.

Once he is in, the shit will really hit the fan, and all it will take is some "emergency" to light the match. :clap: :clap: :coolbeans: :coolbeans:

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After Wisconsin, the GOP establishment and media act like they are ready to coronate Mitt Romney right now....

Unfortunately for them, it isn't anywhere close to over yet. It may be over for also-rans Santonrum and Gingrich.... but ignored by the consolidated corporate media or not, the Ron Paul movement has been picking up delegates like gangbusters and steamrolling ahead. So much that the GOP has taken to flagrant violations of their own rules in order to try and stop it. But they are not getting away with it and heads are rolling as a result.

Obviously they wouldn't be pulling this kind of chicanery against a guy who has no chance....



As the sociopathic warmongers at the top of the party pyramid are willing to break any law and scorch the earth to prevent a real reformer from gaining a foothold, I am sure they will pull some bullshit at the national convention to prevent Ron Paul from coming up to a vote even if he does get a majority of (stealth) delegates.

But it will only result in the reelection of Barack Obama. I think the most likely outcome is that these primary fiascos will be the final deathknell of the Republican party.

If that is what they want, then so be it. One down, one to go I say.
While I share your enthusiasm and sympathy toward Ron Paul, I just can’t picture anything productive happening with regards to him in this election cycle. His supporters just aren’t that big of voting bloc. People don’t want to hear intellectual discussions about the relevancy of the Federal Reserve or the Austrian School of economics. It’s just not going to happen. People aren’t smart enough to question the status quo. After I found out that Ron Paul supporters were channeling their support to Santorum, I kind of lost any motivation for a social movement based on Ron Paul’s ideas. I think Obama is going to run away in the election, unless something major happens out of Europe (read: Grecian default).

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After Wisconsin, the GOP establishment and media act like they are ready to coronate Mitt Romney right now....

Unfortunately for them, it isn't anywhere close to over yet. It may be over for also-rans Santonrum and Gingrich.... but ignored by the consolidated corporate media or not, the Ron Paul movement has been picking up delegates like gangbusters and steamrolling ahead. So much that the GOP has taken to flagrant violations of their own rules in order to try and stop it. But they are not getting away with it and heads are rolling as a result.

Obviously they wouldn't be pulling this kind of chicanery against a guy who has no chance....



As the sociopathic warmongers at the top of the party pyramid are willing to break any law and scorch the earth to prevent a real reformer from gaining a foothold, I am sure they will pull some bullshit at the national convention to prevent Ron Paul from coming up to a vote even if he does get a majority of (stealth) delegates.

But it will only result in the reelection of Barack Obama. I think the most likely outcome is that these primary fiascos will be the final deathknell of the Republican party.

If that is what they want, then so be it. One down, one to go I say.
While I share your enthusiasm and sympathy toward Ron Paul, I just can’t picture anything productive happening with regards to him in this election cycle. His supporters just aren’t that big of voting bloc. People don’t want to hear intellectual discussions about the relevancy of the Federal Reserve or the Austrian School of economics. It’s just not going to happen. People aren’t smart enough to question the status quo. After I found out that Ron Paul supporters were channeling their support to Santorum, I kind of lost any motivation for a social movement based on Ron Paul’s ideas. I think Obama is going to run away in the election, unless something major happens out of Europe (read: Grecian default).


Anyone wanna bet REAL money against Obama NOT getting a second term, PM me.

I could use a little more loot in the bank. :clap: :coolbeans:

Its already in the bag for Obiewan, and I have been studying politics since I was very young.

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It may be over for also-rans Santonrum and Gingrich.... but ignored by the consolidated corporate media or not, the Ron Paul movement has been picking up delegates like gangbusters and steamrolling ahead.


Uh...you do know those also-rans EACH have more delegates than Paul, right? There's no conspiracy to suppress him....he's been on the ballot in every state. Unless you think voters not liking your candidate is a "conspiracy."

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People don’t want to hear intellectual discussions about the relevancy of the Federal Reserve or the Austrian School of economics.


I wouldn't say that's true. The financial crisis has focused attention on those issues. It's Paul's foreign policy views that keep him from gaining traction. However, even if he abandoned those views, I think he'd still be seen as a fringe candidate. He'd get more Republican votes(while losing all respect those on the left once had for him), but not enough to get the nomination.

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When votes from counties that Paul carried in 2008 arent even counted (happened in Maine), or when the results that are called in from precincts don't match the actual vote counts (happened in Iowa) or when he wins undesputably and the media flat out lies about it and says Romney did (happened in the Virgin Islands), or when the GOP completely subverts the caucus process and has Ron Paul supporters arrested for trying to exercise their rights as citizens (happened in Missouri... watch the video), I would call it vote fraud, and a concerted effort at that. The word "conspiracy" has been tainted in recent years, but there isn't much else you could call that. Criminality. Fraud. Theft of an election. Violation of citizens' rights. None of this is conjecture or talking out of my ass either... this is the fully documented stuff. That is four states he either won or had a damn good chance of winning that the establishment fucked him out of.... and don't think that heads aren't rolling over it... or won't be soon. You don't fuck over an entire generation of voters without reprocussions.

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People don’t want to hear intellectual discussions about the relevancy of the Federal Reserve or the Austrian School of economics.
I wouldn't say that's true. The financial crisis has focused attention on those issues. It's Paul's foreign policy views that keep him from gaining traction. However, even if he abandoned those views, I think he'd still be seen as a fringe candidate. He'd get more Republican votes(while losing all respect those on the left once had for him), but not enough to get the nomination.
Ron Paul was pretty much the only candidate to actually discuss the relevancy of these things. The financial crisis forced our wanton spending into clear focus, but the underpinnings of our economic system isn’t really discussed – it’s been distilled down into a spend less vs. tax more argument. The only other candidate that I can recall mentioning the Federal Reserve was Rick Perry, and his critique consisted solely of explaining how the people of Texas would treat Ben Bernanke “ugly” for his printing of money. I don’t really consider this to be a vigorous intellectual discussion. Of course, most people don’t know what Quantitative Easing is, because we’re too busy talking about whether insurance should cover birth control pills, and whether our law students are sluts.

I’ll admit that Ron Paul’s foreign policy is a little “out there,” but only because it’s so vastly different then anyone else’s. Besides, a lot of it I think the vast majority of people would agree with (e.g., no more foreign aid). Rick Santorum’s views are just as crazy (e.g., cracking down on Internet porn, banning birth control) and he’s winning states. Ron Paul’s biggest problem is he’s awkward – he has awful body language and mannerisms. If he were younger, he’d have been diagnosed with Asperger’s.

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