Has anyone here considered cosmetic surgery?

I've had a hair transplant when I was 20 and premature bald, but that failed badly. Made me look much worse than before.

No, too risky and too expensive, I once considered having a hair transplant but they are too risky. So instead, I will just work hard in the gym, and improve my physique as much as humanly possible.

Does a sex change count? I've been thinking about it a lot lately.
But I can't get women, If I remove me breasts I will never feel tits again.

No don't remove yor breasts. What if it made no difference?

But then I would be a weirdo shemale with tits who can't get laid.
Well not that different then my situation now I guess

Well I suppose if you wanna look butch. Cosmetic surgery is at least worth window shopping to find out what is out there. I'd advise anyone who's interested to do extensive research before spending. Like with everything there are good surgeons and crap surgeons.

Unless you have an actual physical defect (harelip, a big mole on your nose, your eyes look in different directions, you miss front teeth, stuff like that), you really don't need cosmetic surgery.

Rather, fix your diet, hit the gym or start training a good active sport like basketball, rugby, kick-boxing etc. so you get yourself in shape, get a reasonable tan (chocolate fat looks better than white fat), supply yourself with clothes that fit you well and look good on you (female friends, sisters, cousins, coworkers etc. can help you a lot with this, don't be afraid to ask them) and that possibly fit the type of girl you want to have (for instance, if you want goth girls, wearing a goth guy outfit to goth clubs will get them interested in you).

I already have, I used to be fat, became a gym junkie, play competitive soccer, eat a mostly healthy diet and I now I am in the best shape of my life, and I have an olive complexion and have a natural tan. But it's not getting me laid, (unless I pay a hooker).

Doesn't surprise me. From what I've seen in your forum posts, your looks are the least of your problems.

Typical PUA fanboy, who hasn't a fucking clue what he is talking about, and in typical PUA -MANGINA fashion, it's always the mans fault if he gets rejected by women, women never pick the wrong guy do they?

Firstly, you don't know what I look like, or my life story so don't make false assumptions about me before you know the facts. Were you standing beside me everytime I approached a woman, and she rejected me instantly even before I opened my mouth? No, STFU, and don't say it's my personality because you don't know me personally, and for your information I am actually a very pleasant and polite person, unless rude and disrespectful arsewipes like you provoke me, if you are going to swing punches at people expect them to be thrown at back at you.

People like you are proof that the so called "PUA community" is not a community at all, because REAL communities don't kick people in the head, like you PUA arseholes love doing.

The fact is LOOKS count, and if you don't think they do, care to explain this to me (and I am not not making this shit up);

October 1990: The soccer team I played in, had an end of seaon trip where we travelled down the south coast of New South Wales, and on the Saturday night we all went to the local nightclub, and have a guess which guys picked up some drunk bar sluts? drum roll..................................................

THE TWO BEST LOOKING GUYS IN THE TEAM.

March 1992: I went on a south pacific cruise aboard an ocean liner with a good looking friend of mine, and although women outnumbered men by a ratio of at least 2:1, all the women chased the best looking men, and that included my good looking friend who is 6ft tall, has a full head of hair, is jacked, with a six pack, is a 6th dan in Tak Won Do, and had women literally throwing themselves at him eg. one morning there was a knock at the door of our cabin, and when I went answer the door, there were 3 WOMEN asking for my friend. In total contrast, I got nothing, and whenever I approached a woman I was greeted with instant fuck off signals and generally ignored.

31st December 1993 (New years eve): I went to a new years party with my good looking friend (GLF), and he had a make out with a girl (in addition to getting her phone number) he met at a nightclub we went to. When my GLF turned around to me and said "Seb, why don't do try and meet some women, I pointed out to my GLF that there were virtually no single women, and when he canvassed the bar/club we were at, he agreed.

February 1994: Both myself and my good looking friend GLF (the same dude I went on the cruise with), attended to the Red Cross "Desperate and Dateless" ball at the Sydney Convention Centre - Darling Harbour. Silly me took the title literally, and thought that the only people who would be attending were people like me ie. desperate and dateless. Boy, did I get that one wrong, most of the people that went were definitely not desperate, and most of them were not dateless. So what happened?, I got rejected as usual, and my GLF ended up meeting his wife.

July 1994: A woman I was working with for over 6 years (I met her in 1988), who I was quite interested in and got along with, I finally summoned the courage to ask her out, and as usual I got rejected. Another good looking friend who also worked with this woman, only knew her for 5 minutes, asks her out, she saids yes, and he fucks her on the first night.

March 1995: One Friday night, I went to a bar with another good looking friend for a few drinks, and we met these 4 women, of course the 4 women pretended I dd not exist, and were only interested in my GLF.

November 1995: Same situation as above, but this time it was at a party, where my GLF picks up this hot looking woman, and of course I got ignored.

February 1996: I attended a bucks weekend (bachelor party to those of you in the USA), and on the Saturday night we all attended a local bar, and take a wild guess which guys in our group picked up 2 spoiled party girls?, the two best good looking dudes.

April 1998: I went to a nightclub with a good looking dude, and we met this Irish woman, she ignored me and of course the good looking dude took her home and fucked her.

Seb you have a pretty good memory if you remember exact months when all this shit happend. Hell, I even dont't remember what I had for breakfast today.

Thanks, I have been told that I have a photographic, some would say forensic memory, I guess that's one benefit of living a drug and alcohol free life, ie.all my braincells are still intact (I hope).

You see, there is a lot there that resonates with me too. If girls don't even give one the time of day, well... Hmm. I have a strange feeling that I know how Seb and myself could "attract" women, but it involves violating ones own ethical principals. It involves demonstrating types of behaviour which are quite frankly immature and socialy unnaceptable. For example, if I started behaving like a sleazy unstable and boneheaded creep and showing a flagerant disregard to my surroundings and behaving badly like a lot of males resort to, then, yes, eventualy I will wear people down to the extent that they eventualy agree to go out with me in order to shut me up. I don't like witnessing that kind of carry on in others so why on earth would I want to take on this kind of bad behaviour.

I think that really would be a case of acting like a spoilt arogant bratt who wants everything his own way. I have seen blokes behave in the most extraordinary outlandish fashion in order to secure women. I remember in my teenage years I was talking with a girl and I got violently shoved out of the way by another boy. Now I could have shoved him. What would this have created? A scene from Beavis and Butthead. Er, no thanks. Now in later years I did experiment with lunatic behaviour and it did get me some female attention, but I thought, if I have to act like a total bean bag everytime in order to be noticed and compromising myself, maybe I'm hanging out with the wrong group. So I migrated to different groups of people, including traveling to other countries and cities and doing diverse activities. What did I find? The same need to have to act out in order to get noticed.

Now, other blokes, those in the good looking sector don't have to behave as such and they just get included. If there was a behviour I could adopt which would enable this, obviously I'd use it. The problem with PUAs is that they keep imagining that all those who can't get a woman have not made a mighty effort to do so. They assume that we are all humongously overweight, and fit, unhealthy and eat crisps all the time and sit on a couch in front of a TV and don't know what the other side of front door looks like.

The skills I am interested in acquiring are how to deal with people that make these false assumptions about me. I want a way of hacking into their brain so that I can give them the experience of being marginalised. I guess if PUA really existed then it's antidote would exist too. Perhaps I am already a "master"of PUA. As I say it involves being a jizz if you are not good looking.

I think Saddam Husaine was an excellent example of a gifted PUA. He grew antlers, stuck his picture on walls, swaggered around and obviously got laid. This would not have happened had he been Joe ordinary. He certainly didn't have looks that women raved about. Of course there are degrees of bad behaviour one can inculcate, but no matter how un extream the attention seeking behaviour is, it is still unnaceptable bad behaviour. I certainly don't wish to tell my kids "You know my son, you are going to have to behave like an uncivilised savage if you want to meet women. I'd view that as human regression. 2001, A Space Oddysy shows off PUA in all its glory, especialy with the first scene; The Dawn Of Man.

Now I'm not trying to make out that I'm some do gooder because I avoid behaving like a baboon. I think there are perfectly valid reasons for kicking someones teeth in. For example, if someone is behaving like a Sadam Huisain or a Chaucescu, they need to be got rid of, and so any behaviour that ressembless Chaucescu or Saddam Huisain or Kernel Geddaffi is naturaly something to frown upon, as a reduction in progress spells the end of humanity. PUA's are basicaly people who encourage criminality. Their subtext is allways biassed towards violence towards women. Now if I have to be violent towards women to get anything out of them, even if it is to use comanding authoritarian language on them I'm not interested. I would rather pay a women to willingly agree to have sex with me than coerce through twisted words and deceit, thank you very much.

I wouldn't go that far, but the terms social deviance, sociopathy and social malevolence come to mind when I think of PUAs and what they taught me to do, and what I did after getting into it so deeply.

Thank goodness I broke out of that spell.