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Painless method of suicide? I have heard reports that asphyxiation by way of breathing inert gas is painless. Exit International, an organization that supports euthanasia for the terminally ill has recommended it as a peaceful means of self-deliverance. It has also been debated whether asphyxiation through breathing inert gas should be used in lethal executions.

I myself wonder why this is not discussed more when talking about a peaceful means of suicide. I have been researching this very heavily over the last two months and I have found that death by inert gas asphyxiation is quick and relatively painless. Death can occur within minutes. This video below details what happened to two industrial workers who died by nitrogen asphyxiation. Note that nitrogen asphyxiation is a real danger in industries where the gas is used.




Death is caused not by the inert gas itself but by the low presence of oxygen. Take for example a person who is in a confined space that is saturated with nitrogen. The person may become disoriented and confused as their brain is being denied of oxygen. Unconsciousness can occur in seconds. The person does not experience any alarm because carbon dioxide does not build up in the body as the nitrogen flushes the carbon dioxide out.

In the book "The Peaceful Pill Handbook", a book that gives instruction on how to perform euthanasia, it is stated that the body is not sensitive to falling levels of oxygen but its very sensitive to increased levels of carbon dioxide. If you put a plastic bag over your head and try to breathe for a period of time your body will become alarmed because carbon dioxide will build up in the body. In an enclosed space where there is a high concentration of inert gas such as nitrogen, carbon dioxide does not build up so the person does not feel alarmed or experience panic.

Theoretically, any inert gas (such as argon, nitrogen or helium) could be used as a means of self deliverance. The "Peaceful Pill Handbook" gives instructions on how to use tanks filled with helium. I think they recommended helium since its an easily obtainable gas as the tanks can be bought from party or toy stores. I personally see a problem with using these tanks as you don't know about the product you are getting. For example, air can be added to the tanks because it is more economical and no one will complain as long as the tanks provide enough helium to make balloons float. This is one of the reasons why Exit International will be providing a 'Nitrogen system' sometime this year I believe:
http://www.exitinternational.net/delive ... ol9no5.pdf

Personally, I believe that if a person is going to use this method as a means of self deliverance, then nitrogen should be the gas of choice. I say this because nitrogen makes up 78% of the air we breath (with the other 21% being oxygen and 1% being other gases). I would be more comfortable using nitrogen knowing that I am not introducing anything new into my system. Then I could be sure that I was doing nothing more than removing the oxygen from my breathing space - as should be the goal when using this method.

Individuals who use this method usually use nitrogen gas cylinders which can be bought from gas supply stores or welding shops. The nitrogen cylinder is fitted with the proper gas pressure regulator. Plastic tubing can then be attached to the gas regulator. The plastic tubing goes inside of a plastic bag that fits over the head. In euthanasia circles this is referred to as an 'exit bag' as seen below:
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The bag provides an enclosed space around the head where a high concentration of inert gas can form. The inert gas (in this case nitrogen) replaces the oxygen and flushes out the carbon dioxide expelled from the person.

Setting up this method is not simple but its not overly complicated either. It just requires some research and a basic understanding of math. In the end, a person who chooses this method for self deliverance would want to find out how to deliver nitrogen into an exit bag for a sufficient period of time at a safe flow rate (12 liters a minute or 25 cubic feet per hour for 30 minutes or more in my opinion).


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The Peacefull Pill Handbook can be obtained online.

I also recommend you go to youtube and search for the documentary series "How to Kill a Human Being". It raises questions about execution methods and humane ways to to go about execution. Nitrogen asphyxiation is discussed toward the end of the video.


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Karnes wrote:
Painless method of suicide? I have heard reports that asphyxiation by way of breathing inert gas is painless. Exit International, an organization that supports euthanasia for the terminally ill has recommended it as a peaceful means of self-deliverance. It has also been debated whether asphyxiation through breathing inert gas should be used in lethal executions.

I myself wonder why this is not discussed more when talking about a peaceful means of suicide. I have been researching this very heavily over the last two months and I have found that death by inert gas asphyxiation is quick and relatively painless. Death can occur within minutes. This video below details what happened to two industrial workers who died by nitrogen asphyxiation. Note that nitrogen asphyxiation is a real danger in industries where the gas is used.




Death is caused not by the inert gas itself but by the low presence of oxygen. Take for example a person who is in a confined space that is saturated with nitrogen. The person may become disoriented and confused as their brain is being denied of oxygen. Unconsciousness can occur in seconds. The person does not experience any alarm because carbon dioxide does not build up in the body as the nitrogen flushes the carbon dioxide out.

In the book "The Peaceful Pill Handbook", a book that gives instruction on how to perform euthanasia, it is stated that the body is not sensitive to falling levels of oxygen but its very sensitive to increased levels of carbon dioxide. If you put a plastic bag over your head and try to breathe for a period of time your body will become alarmed because carbon dioxide will build up in the body. In an enclosed space where there is a high concentration of inert gas such as nitrogen, carbon dioxide does not build up so the person does not feel alarmed or experience panic.

Theoretically, any inert gas (such as argon, nitrogen or helium) could be used as a means of self deliverance. The "Peaceful Pill Handbook" gives instructions on how to use tanks filled with helium. I think they recommended helium since its an easily obtainable gas as the tanks can be bought from party or toy stores. I personally see a problem with using these tanks as you don't know about the product you are getting. For example, air can be added to the tanks because it is more economical and no one will complain as long as the tanks provide enough helium to make balloons float. This is one of the reasons why Exit International will be providing a 'Nitrogen system' sometime this year I believe:
http://www.exitinternational.net/delive ... ol9no5.pdf

Personally, I believe that if a person is going to use this method as a means of self deliverance, then nitrogen should be the gas of choice. I say this because nitrogen makes up 78% of the air we breath (with the other 21% being oxygen and 1% being other gases). I would be more comfortable using nitrogen knowing that I am not introducing anything new into my system. Then I could be sure that I was doing nothing more than removing the oxygen from my breathing space - as should be the goal when using this method.

Individuals who use this method usually use nitrogen gas cylinders which can be bought from gas supply stores or welding shops. The nitrogen cylinder is fitted with the proper gas pressure regulator. Plastic tubing can then be attached to the gas regulator. The plastic tubing goes inside of a plastic bag that fits over the head. In euthanasia circles this is referred to as an 'exit bag' as seen below:
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The bag provides an enclosed space around the head where a high concentration of inert gas can form. The inert gas (in this case nitrogen) replaces the oxygen and flushes out the carbon dioxide expelled from the person.

Setting up this method is not simple but its not overly complicated either. It just requires some research and a basic understanding of math. In the end, a person who chooses this method for self deliverance would want to find out how to deliver nitrogen into an exit bag for a sufficient period of time at a safe flow rate (12 liters a minute or 25 cubic feet per hour for 30 minutes or more in my opinion).


I've done my own reasearch, and i don't feel this is an ideal way to die. This method is somewhat technically complicated and it's possible that something can fail. In a worst case scenario you'll survive with massive brain damage. Using a mask and gas filled cylinders is also a somewhat traumatic way to die. Assembling and using alle the equipment needed is also not quite straight forward. I would guess a lot of planning and research will have to go into this to avoid any mishaps.

The absolutely ideal way to die in my opinion is ingesting a strong barbituate. The barbituate just shuts down your brain in a very peacefull manner. The only think you have to do is take some pills or ingest a (foul tasting) liquid. Exit international recommends pentobarbital, also known under the trade name nembutal. It's used to put animals to sleep. I belive it has also been used to kill prisoners in the US. When I have to go some day I would prefer to go this way. Look at these people who are terminally ill and have no other way out than to die the best way they can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-_uEmdmSsY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-lgadWNGMY
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You guys really ought to try talking to someone. Just getting it all out can make an enormous difference. You might have your doubts about therapists and the like, but for the most part they're just other human beings who want to help. If one doesn't work for you, remember that they're each their own person, and finding the right person can make all the difference. It doesn't have to clinical -- It's a relationship between two people, and when it works it can change your life. If you're seriously considering suicide, you have all the reason in the world to give it a chance.

Metanoia.org lists places where you might start:

Send an anonymous e-mail to The Samaritans
Call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255 (TTY:1-800-799-4TTY)
-- Someone mentioned that they had tried a hotline before, with disappointing results. To that I would say that first of all, it really depends on who you're talking to, and the second, regardless, they can help you get in touch with someone who really can help you.
(In Australia, call Lifeline Australia at telephone: 13 11 14
Teenagers, call Covenant House NineLine, 1-800-999-9999
Look in the front of your phone book for a crisis line
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You guys really ought to try talking to someone. Just getting it all out can make an enormous difference. You might have your doubts about therapists and the like, but for the most part they're just other human beings who want to help. If one doesn't work for you, remember that they're each their own person, and finding the right person can make all the difference. It doesn't have to clinical -- It's a relationship between two people, and when it works it can change your life. If you're seriously considering suicide, you have all the reason in the world to give it a chance.

Metanoia.org lists places where you might start:

Send an anonymous e-mail to The Samaritans
Call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255 (TTY:1-800-799-4TTY)
-- Someone mentioned that they had tried a hotline before, with disappointing results. To that I would say that first of all, it really depends on who you're talking to, and the second, regardless, they can help you get in touch with someone who really can help you.
(In Australia, call Lifeline Australia at telephone: 13 11 14
Teenagers, call Covenant House NineLine, 1-800-999-9999
Look in the front of your phone book for a crisis line
Call a psychotherapist
Carefully choose a friend or a minister or rabbi, someone who is likely to listen


Talk with whom? Where is this magical someone who will understand? Males that can't find sexual & romantic partner are usually laughted at, pitied or even hated by rabbits. Psychoterapists don't even believe in existence of love-shyness/incel and they don't give a fuck about it too as they are usually in long-term relationships.

Bragging or talking about sex is perceived as normal, venting about sexual frustration is considered obscene.

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Likewise, deep in the mind of modern woman is the same hunter-gatherer calculator, too recently evolved to have changed much: strive to acquire a provider husband who will invest food and care in your children; strive to find a lover who can give those children first-class genes. Only if she is very lucky will they both be the same man . . . Men are to be exploited as providers of parental care, wealth and genes." - Matt Ridley "The Red Queen"

"Humor won’t save you; it doesn’t really do anything at all. You can look at life ironically for years, maybe decades; there are people who seem to go through most of their lives seeing the funny side, but in the end, life always breaks your heart. Doesn’t matter how brave you are, how reserved, or how much you’ve developed a sense of humor, you still end up with your heart broken. That’s when you stop laughing. In the end there’s just the cold, the silence and the loneliness. In the end, there’s only death." - Houellebecq


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and talking about "painless" methods of suicide is a little trite for me.

You life is a gift, is a sacrement. You have worth, and value.....and if you don't??? FIND IT. If you are gonna put all of your eggs in one basket, or put all of your hope on a politician, a political situation, a social life, or genetics or "what if's" your life IS going to be miserable. Even the 'alphas' have other things to do besides sex (mindless activities as they are mind you).

My older brother has Downs Syndrome. Genetics. From birth. Get it. Tons of health complications on top of it.....he's had open-heart surgery THREE times since 1966. The guy had STRIKES on his life from day one....and you know what???

He smiles. He's happy for just getting a burger on Sunday with his fellow "group home mates" (bunch of grungy Downs guys ;-) ). He likes his job. He misses our mom. Simplistic? Yeah...but never a complaint.
He can read at a second grade level. He has better table manners than most normal people. I mean.....suicide?....Really? Aside from my personal religious convictions....what are you going to accomplish? No one probably is going to remember you. This "act" of revenge on the world, because of your own personal pain is very selfish, and in the minds of most people (alpha, beta, incel, LS, male, female) leaves the living family and / or friends "wondering" what they did wrong. Why didn't the person "say something"

It's a sad and tragic thing, and it's an act of revenge and bit unfair to the people who did care. Who would lend a hand, who might have been able to help.

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I find amazing that the most commented topic on Recovery Forum is about suicide.
People have really great hopes of succeding with their problems here.


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and talking about "painless" methods of suicide is a little trite for me.

You life is a gift, is a sacrement. You have worth, and value.....and if you don't??? FIND IT. If you are gonna put all of your eggs in one basket, or put all of your hope on a politician, a political situation, a social life, or genetics or "what if's" your life IS going to be miserable. Even the 'alphas' have other things to do besides sex (mindless activities as they are mind you).

My older brother has Downs Syndrome. Genetics. From birth. Get it. Tons of health complications on top of it.....he's had open-heart surgery THREE times since 1966. The guy had STRIKES on his life from day one....and you know what???

He smiles. He's happy for just getting a burger on Sunday with his fellow "group home mates" (bunch of grungy Downs guys ;-) ). He likes his job. He misses our mom. Simplistic? Yeah...but never a complaint.
He can read at a second grade level. He has better table manners than most normal people. I mean.....suicide?....Really? Aside from my personal religious convictions....what are you going to accomplish? No one probably is going to remember you. This "act" of revenge on the world, because of your own personal pain is very selfish, and in the minds of most people (alpha, beta, incel, LS, male, female) leaves the living family and / or friends "wondering" what they did wrong. Why didn't the person "say something"

It's a sad and tragic thing, and it's an act of revenge and bit unfair to the people who did care. Who would lend a hand, who might have been able to help.
I usually have outpourings of empathy for people who decide to take their lives. They must've suffered tremendously, for a long time, to resort to that.


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I heard on the radio today someone who apparently committed suicide is being twittered and youtubed about. I hardly believe this is what the person had in mind. Reduced to other peoples humor videos; it was something in the note he/she wrote.


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Karnes wrote:
Painless method of suicide? I have heard reports that asphyxiation by way of breathing inert gas is painless. Exit International, an organization that supports euthanasia for the terminally ill has recommended it as a peaceful means of self-deliverance. It has also been debated whether asphyxiation through breathing inert gas should be used in lethal executions.

I myself wonder why this is not discussed more when talking about a peaceful means of suicide. I have been researching this very heavily over the last two months and I have found that death by inert gas asphyxiation is quick and relatively painless. Death can occur within minutes. This video below details what happened to two industrial workers who died by nitrogen asphyxiation. Note that nitrogen asphyxiation is a real danger in industries where the gas is used.




Death is caused not by the inert gas itself but by the low presence of oxygen. Take for example a person who is in a confined space that is saturated with nitrogen. The person may become disoriented and confused as their brain is being denied of oxygen. Unconsciousness can occur in seconds. The person does not experience any alarm because carbon dioxide does not build up in the body as the nitrogen flushes the carbon dioxide out.

In the book "The Peaceful Pill Handbook", a book that gives instruction on how to perform euthanasia, it is stated that the body is not sensitive to falling levels of oxygen but its very sensitive to increased levels of carbon dioxide. If you put a plastic bag over your head and try to breathe for a period of time your body will become alarmed because carbon dioxide will build up in the body. In an enclosed space where there is a high concentration of inert gas such as nitrogen, carbon dioxide does not build up so the person does not feel alarmed or experience panic.

Theoretically, any inert gas (such as argon, nitrogen or helium) could be used as a means of self deliverance. The "Peaceful Pill Handbook" gives instructions on how to use tanks filled with helium. I think they recommended helium since its an easily obtainable gas as the tanks can be bought from party or toy stores. I personally see a problem with using these tanks as you don't know about the product you are getting. For example, air can be added to the tanks because it is more economical and no one will complain as long as the tanks provide enough helium to make balloons float. This is one of the reasons why Exit International will be providing a 'Nitrogen system' sometime this year I believe:
http://www.exitinternational.net/delive ... ol9no5.pdf

Personally, I believe that if a person is going to use this method as a means of self deliverance, then nitrogen should be the gas of choice. I say this because nitrogen makes up 78% of the air we breath (with the other 21% being oxygen and 1% being other gases). I would be more comfortable using nitrogen knowing that I am not introducing anything new into my system. Then I could be sure that I was doing nothing more than removing the oxygen from my breathing space - as should be the goal when using this method.

Individuals who use this method usually use nitrogen gas cylinders which can be bought from gas supply stores or welding shops. The nitrogen cylinder is fitted with the proper gas pressure regulator. Plastic tubing can then be attached to the gas regulator. The plastic tubing goes inside of a plastic bag that fits over the head. In euthanasia circles this is referred to as an 'exit bag' as seen below:
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The bag provides an enclosed space around the head where a high concentration of inert gas can form. The inert gas (in this case nitrogen) replaces the oxygen and flushes out the carbon dioxide expelled from the person.

Setting up this method is not simple but its not overly complicated either. It just requires some research and a basic understanding of math. In the end, a person who chooses this method for self deliverance would want to find out how to deliver nitrogen into an exit bag for a sufficient period of time at a safe flow rate (12 liters a minute or 25 cubic feet per hour for 30 minutes or more in my opinion).


Yeh I came across this sometime back - good material - if that's where you're at in life. I've been there at least 1 attempt. No regrets I figure either way you're SOL. I sort of feel like I'm dying all the time trying to keep it real here. Who wants to date a looney tune like that? lol


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I find amazing that the most commented topic on Recovery Forum is about suicide.
People have really great hopes of succeding with their problems here.


That's cause we are a loser's lot! Like I'm going to succeed in dating after 54 years.
Oh no, wait, I could date a 2 ton hippo and love them for their inner beauty - anyone here
heard that bitter pill talk? Would you not just rather drop a bottle of strychnine?!!
Actrually, it's that we can talk this way to each other that sort of gets us through
those rough times. I mean let's get real here . . .


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Yeh I came across this sometime back - good material - if that's where you're at in life. I've been there at least 1 attempt. No regrets I figure either way you're SOL. I sort of feel like I'm dying all the time trying to keep it real here. Who wants to date a looney tune like that? lol

I've heard (as undoubtedely many others have as well) that girls get with badboys in an attempt to "change them". She thinks that her being with him can "change him for the better". Why not get with guys who are "looney toons" for a similar idea?

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Sky dive into a volcano without a parachute.

Falling while approaching terminal velocity would scare the hell out of you, perhaps even kill you from shock. Why not have a safe and sound landing in a volcano? As you're entering the conduit of the crater, your parachute will probably burn up anyway.

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Sky dive into a volcano without a parachute.


Interesting way of dying. Pretty weird. As a volcano enthusiast I was thinking about it too. But it MUST be active volcano which is currently erupting. The closest one to me is Stromboli (Aeolian Islands, eruptive activity since 1934).

Jumping into active lava lake would be strange but effective too. But only 6 world volcanes (maybe 7) have active lave lakes. 1) Kilauea (Big Hawaii), 2) Ambrym (Vanuatu), 3) Erta Ale (Ethiopia), 4) Nyirgaongo (Congo), 5) Erebus (Antarctica), 6) Villarica (Chile) and possibly 7) Mount Michael (South Sandwitch islands).

But would you like to jump into the pit of hell?



Acually one volcano in Japan became suicide destination for many years.

Mount Mihara is an active volcano on the Japanese isle of Izu Ōshima. Although the volcano is predominantly basaltic, major eruptions have occurred at intervals of 100–150 years.
From a vantage point near the top of the cone it was possible to leap straight into the lava flow. As a result, the volcano became a popular venue for suicides. Beginning in the 1920s, several suicides occurred in the volcano every week; more than six hundred people jumped in 1936. Authorities eventually erected a fence around the base of the structure to curb the number of suicides.
Mount Mihara's major eruption in 1986 saw spectacular lava fountains up to 1.6 kilometers high. The eruption had a VEI of 3, and involved a: Central vent eruption, radial fissure eruption, explosive eruption, lava flows and a lava lake eruption. There was also a 16-km high subplinian plume. All of the island's 12,000 inhabitants were evacuated by dozens of vessels consisting of both the military and civilian volunteers.
The most recent eruption was in 1990.
(Source: Wikipedia)

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Likewise, deep in the mind of modern woman is the same hunter-gatherer calculator, too recently evolved to have changed much: strive to acquire a provider husband who will invest food and care in your children; strive to find a lover who can give those children first-class genes. Only if she is very lucky will they both be the same man . . . Men are to be exploited as providers of parental care, wealth and genes." - Matt Ridley "The Red Queen"

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