I have contacted a psychiatric organisation which is associated to the university where I study. I have arranged to have a 1 hour session in the beginning of January. So far I have told the psychiatrist there that I suffer depression and that I feel very frustrated and angry, and that I have social problems. All these things are true, but the thing is I already know that it's caused, at least in part, by my frustration from not having any contact with the opposite sex, and by the extreme loneliness. So basically my love-shyness is probably the main issue, though certainly not the only issue. I feel that I should tell him about this, but I fear that he does not know anything about the subject, and therefore will not really take it seriously. I have doubt about how many psychiatrists and psychologists actually know anything about this. I fear that I will just make a fool of myself if I start talking about this and he then doesn't take me seriously.
Does anyone in here know anything or have an idea about how many psychiatrists actually acknowledges love-shyness? How many psychiatrists are actually familiar with Gilmartin's research?
And finally on a scale of 1 to 10, how great would you estimate that my chances of actually being taken seriously by this psychiatrist is.
If you don't know anything about it feel free to just have a guess. The more answers the better.

The psychiatric profession is more art then science, and it's also populated heavily by college-schooled females, most of whom believe in the feminist mantra and wish for all men to be mangina's. They get skittish and scared being around a real man.

If you must go, do not choose a female therapist. Man or woman, they will treat your LS as an ordinary anxiety disorder, as they do not understand what LS is, like Gilmartin does.

Likely, the male doctor you see will have bedded many women who were hypergamous, so don't expect him to understand it. The women will never understand it, of course, nor would they wish to, for obvious reasons.

Mostly its just a waste of time and money, IMO.

Better to do things to improve your success in life, develop a good sense of self and a strong ego. Once you have accomplished that, you will have a sense of self-worth that no one can take away from you, ever.

Don't spend any money on this project. If it is free, then you can check it out carefully.


Good idea.

Just tell him. He hears stranger things all the time. And he's professionally bound to try and help you while maintaining confidentiality. If you hold back the issues you actually wish to address you're just wasting your own time.

I vote for not mentioning the actual term loveshyness. It's great and all, but it does nothing to help explain our situations. Just mention everything but the actual term and gilmartin. It's not some radical idea, people have these problems all the time.

It is free. So no waste of money. Besides this guy, who is a man yes, is not some stupid cunt female shrink who wants me to be a mangina. He is a psychiatrist. Big difference. The psychology studies belong to the faculty of humanities, while the psychiatric studies belong to the faculty of science. A psychiatrist, at least here, actually has a medical degree. Most private practices of therapy are run by psychologists who are mostly a bunch of hippies yes, while psychiatrists are typically employed by the hospitals. He is actually the reserve chief psychiatrist at a rather well renowned hospital. Besides running this project for the university. So the man knows what he's doing. As I mentioned in the first post, the incel is not the only problem. As a matter of fact it is only a part of the problem. I have some general mental problems wich I really need to get help for, as I am basically incapable of functioning normally.
My question was just whether I should tell him about the incel or not. I feel it is relevant and important, but at the same time I fear that it's not an acknowledged issue. But any ways thanks for the correspondence. I would still like to read more opinions on the general acknowledgement of the problem.

as a man, the state in general is your enemy at the moment. I wouldnt trust them to not persecute me, and actively helping me is out of the question. someone here recently got arrested and may do prison time merely for ranting about gender imbalance in front of a female. large groups of people laugh at men getting their penis' cut-off. thats how much society cares about your problems, and how willing they are to take them seriously. take what you can from this, but dont expect much. most likely you will be diagnosed with general social anxiety, and given a drug or treatment that completely fails to address the actual issues.

Well mentioning it when I went in was one of the first things I did. It helped, not in any tangible ways, but just with my mentality. I didn't go into any bizarre theories like feminism, gender populations or that stuff, just said it had never happened. And he simply asked why? Going through and explaining that to him was half the battle, which is really a lot of what therapy is.

The only difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist it's writing prescriptions. Just because one has a medical degree doesn't make him more qualified to examine your mind. In fact, I don't like to recommend psychiatrists much because quite often they'll just throw pills at you and send you on your way. That keeps you attached to them much like a drug dealer. Whereas with just therapy, they have to actually pay attention to you to keep you coming back.

It will be a waste of time mate. Trust me.

run312,
I don't know how things work in Denmark, but in the USA, all mental health professionals follow a clinical guide called the DSM-IV-TR (Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th ed.). They will try to pigeonhole you into one of the DSM-IV-TR categories and if you don't fit into any of them (loveshyness/incel is not a DSM-IV-TR category), then the mental health system will not know what to do with you. I don't think very many people in the mental health community are still aware of Dr. Gilmartin's research, unfortunately.

I think oncebitten55's advice above is right on. If you go to a therapist at all, go to a male therapist. If you do go, I would not mention being "depressed" (since that's a clinical diagnosis you're not qualified to make). Instead tell him that you are unhappy, then proceed to discuss the reason(s) for your unhappiness. Also, I think mrping's advice is also right on the mark - a psychiatrist will try to treat you with drugs without really making an effort to understand your problem(s). This is another reason why I caution you against using the word "depression" since the standard of care for depression is medication rather than attempting to understand the root cause of your unhappiness.

The best fix for loveshyness is hugs not drugs.

Agreed.

Well generally my impression is that it works relatively well in Denmark. Though I know that wasn't really what you meant when you asked how it works. It is my impression that they have a lot of experience dealing with problems that don't necessarily fit into a standard diagnosis. At least that is the impression I got reading their website. The associated organisation which I've been talking about that is. I don't know about the health care system in general. But I've heard their biggest problem is the long queues. Regarding the prescription of medicine, I am personally against things like antidepressants, as I believe it's treating the symptoms and not the problem. It has been my intention from the beginning to refuse taking medication. I'm only interested in therapy. I think that the psychiatrist I'm going to talk to is just the one I'm going to talk to first, and then I'll be forwarded to a psychologist. They only have one psychiatrist there, but several psychologists. Anyway as I mentioned before, I'm not going there because of the incel problem alone. I consider the incel problem to be nothing but a consequence of the actual mental problems I have. My question in the first place was whether I should bring it up. I think the conclusion is that I shouldn't. So I'm not gonna. I think I'm gonna do like suggest ed by mrping. I'm gonna tell about my loneliness problems, but I'm not gonna mention either Gilmartin nor the term love-shy.

Anyway thanks for all replies. It was great hearing some different opinions expressed.

All the more reason why he won't take it seriously.

That....and a STRONG helping of pussy wouldn't hurt either

X2!