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Awesome... though I don't get why a particle would travel faster through hyperspace unless we can also prove (or assume with reasonable doubt) that our 3D space is curved or folded. Interstellar travel would then require us to make a map of hyperspace in order to know the "shortcuts".


Because what we call 'time' in hyperspace moves at a different rate. Imagine dropping a stick into a fast moving river.

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You mean einy's invented hyperspace!!!! Wow!
einy is a physicist at CERN?


Yeah, I spoke to her the other day and asked her about this. She says the media is not bullshitting us like they were when they said CERN could blow up the world. They DID get these readings, however, they are still trying to figure out whether it was a computer error or if it actually happened.

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i might troll cern by sending something along the lines of "a neutrino is never late. nor is it early; it arrives precisely when it means to!"

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Watched a TV programme concerning this very issue last night.

And guess what one of the theories to account for it is?

It concerns 'string theory' and extra dimensions.

And what did I say, right at the very beginning?

Let's go off on a tangent here. Let's look at the esoteric subject of ufology.

Instead of arguing about what they are, where they are from, whether they exist or not, let's just indulge ourselves and ask just two questions;

(1) Has there been a single CREDIBLE case in the past few decades, that seems to indicate the POSSIBLE presence of extraterrestial technology on earth?

(2) How did said technology get here?

(1) Yes there has. On three seperate occasions between November 1989 and March 1990, a UFO was picked by Belgian radar stations. On the third occasion, this object was witnessed by an estimated 13,500 people. An attempt was made by pilots in the Belgian air force to intercept it in F16 fighters At one point in the pursuit, one aircraft gained a radar 'lock on'. The object turned through 70 degrees, increased it's airspeed form 150 to 560 knots, and lost a thousand feet in altitutde. IN LESS THAN ONE SECOND. Another thing worth noting that there was no shockwave from this object. The Belgian F16's lost it when it was around six minutes from the south east coast of Britain. For those of you who think I am just picking this shit out of the air, then may I suggest you get hold of a copy of the book 'UFO a deadly concelament' by Derek Sheffield, which is published by Blandford. It has full details of this case.

(2) Taking the case I have just outlined at face value, how did this craft get here?

Well for a start. No object can manouver like this SOB did....at least not within our current framework of physics.

And how did it get from point A to point B?

SIMPLE. IT MADE THE JOURNEY TO OUR PLANET IN HYPERSPACE.

Which is what those boys up at CERN may just well have discovered. The existence of other dimensions. And a suffciently advanced civilsation could just as well have the technology to use these other dimensions to make interstellar travel a parctical reality.

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What telly programme did you watch? I might see if I can check it out.

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You mean einy's invented hyperspace!!!! Wow!
einy is a physicist at CERN?


Yeah, I spoke to her the other day and asked her about this. She says the media is not bullshitting us like they were when they said CERN could blow up the world. They DID get these readings, however, they are still trying to figure out whether it was a computer error or if it actually happened.


yeah, so basically, what they were saying is "we have this result it defies the known laws of physics, we've checked it and found no problems in our method - come and tell us why we are wrong". Plenty of good suggestions have been made to look at, and the results need to be checked thoroughly - there is another long baseline neutrino experiment that can do this. This other experiment also found the same result previously, but well within their systematics so it was discounted. One counter argument is that by back of the envelope calculation neutrinos observed from a supernova would have arrived years before they did if they were traveling > speed of light. However, as this would be beyond physics we understand, this isn't a perfect counter argument. Its a very interesting result, I've a healthy amount of scepticism (I've fixed enough bugs in CERN code to know human error is a pretty big risk here), however I'm very excited to see what happens next! Fingers crossed!


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If you have been listening to the news over the past 18 hours or so, then you can't have missed reports coming from the LHC at CERN.

Now, these results are awaiting independent confirmation from other research facilities. But should they be upheld, then the implications are staggering, and lead to only one possible conclusion.

As you may have heard, scientists up at CERN have been getting some rather puzzling results. In fact they have been getting some rather amazing results with their experiments with neutrinos. To cut it short, they believe that they have managed to accelerate neutrinos to FTL They have been arriving in the collectors over in the Italian lab a full 60 nanoseconds before they should have got there, IF they were travelling at lightspeed.

If these results are independently born out, then it can only mean one thing;

The guys up at CERN have proved that Hyperspace exists.

Think about it. How else do you explain the results, if they are proved to be accurate? The 60 nanosecond discrepancy is what you would expect, taking in the process of a particle 'jumping' into Hyperspace, then 'jumping' back into normal space as it loses energy.

Gentlemen, we just might be witness's to the birth of a whole new type of physics, one which will ultimately lead to interstellar flight.

It also puts the kibosh on those 'noisy negativists' who claim that intelligent aliens could not visit the earth, because 'Bbubububububu even at the speed of light it would take....blah blah.....blah'

There's your answer. Hyperspace. You jump in at Zeta Reticuli...and you jump out over Shitheadsville, Alabama, to scare the crap out of some Ed Gein chucklehead, and you can zap back home for a cold beer once you're done.

Who said science was boring huh?


Hell I ain't coming back from Risa. Got to get me some off Earth pussy. :clap:

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Yawn...Faster-than-light neutrino result reportedly a mistake caused by loose cable


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It looks like this is going to shade more light into the nature of neutrinos, more than into the possibility of FTL travel. Very interesting nevertheless.


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i wouldnt jump to conclusions too quickly. could be an equipment error. neutrinos are hard to detect, so i'm guessing cern sent a big pulse of them? in which case in their big water tank (i'm assuming) a bunch will be detected at once, and the tank is big enough that to average their times of arrival could lead to discrepency since the neutrinos detected near the edge of the tank will have been detected at a different time than at the other side etc. although that shouldnt lead to a big experimental uncertainty.

personally the first thing that comes to mind for me is that the neutrinos essentially arrived at the right time, but managed to travel back in time slightly. but even that is hardly proven as possible. i'm assuming they'll have taken it into account.

i guess its something to be excited about, potentially a big step forward (although rewriting physics will be a pain the ass lol)
the question would be, if proven, why are they doing this? not even what mechanism is causing it, initially, but why should these particles move faster than light when other particles dont? is it because they have been given lots of energy? is it a property exhibted by all neutrinos?

thats the frustrating aspect of being a physics student. you know enough to understand all of what they're talking about. you have a background knowledge of it, but you dont know enough to really argue the specifics.
i'm doing a module in photonics this year, should be interesting lol.

I second this. Einstein's equation for time dialation and length contraction focuses on the ratio of object's speed and light speed. Both equations center on the gamma (Lorentz) factor:
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Now, if the object is truly going the speed of light, that would make the ratio < 1. Square that and subtract by 1 and we get a negative number. Take the square root of that and we get a problem...complex numbers. The gamma factor cannot be complex or we have ourselves one hell of a headache.

I second Fonduman. Science Theories (A Theory in science, contrary to popular belief is the strongest most evidential body of laws possible, ex: Atomic Theory) will not wholly revised easily. I am skeptical. I now saw what Nature Boy posted and it as I assumed initially; a mistake lay within the instrumentation. This does not mean that Einstein's equations are set in stone; they may need revision in the future when we learn about what other wonders science can give us.


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It was too breathtaking to be true. One should always stay skeptical when it comes to such science-changing announcements.

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Collection of jokes about neutrinos.

-We don’t allow faster than light neutrinos in here, said the bartender. A neutrino walks into a bar.
- Neutrino. Knock knock.
- Hipsters liked neutrinos before they arrived.
- I wrote a speed of light joke…but a neutrino beat me to it.
- A. To prove particles can travel faster than light Q. Why did the neutrino cross the road?
- I’m going to tweet my neutrino joke yesterday.
- Want to hear a joke about neutrinos? It’d probably go straight through you.
- If that #neutrino is faster than light does that explain why physicists never saw it coming?

Do neutrinos go faster than light?
Some physicists think that they might.
In the cold light of day,
I am sorry to say,
The story is probably shite.


Chuck Norris plans a press conference for yesterday to explain how he transferred the neutrinos this fast.


They wanted to get home in time for the Big Bang Theory premier tonight.


A neutrino and a photon walk into a bar. And for the next 60nanoseconds the neutrino complains about how dark it is.


A neutrino walks into a bar, to smoke, and the bartender says, “need a light?” The neutrino replies, ” I am already one step aheadof you.”


Favourite neutrino joke so far: To get to the other side. Why did theneutrino cross the road?


A neutrino walks into a bar, and the barman says “Weren’t you here earlier?”


Einstein: “Do you realize how fast you were going?” Neutrino: “No. Was I speeding?”

When the light hits your eye like a subatomic pie, that’s neutrino.

Looking forward to the new verb conjugations in the post-neutrinoworld. “I will went to the store.”

Yo Mamma So Fat, she converts to more energy than a faster than light neutrino particle.

Neutrinos don’t believe in the Eurozone.


Speed of light is a liberal hoax.


Neutrinos were fleeing from Facebook.


Photons stopped for Italian food on the way.

Calculations done by visiting Americans who still don’t get the metric system.

After neutrino incident, Moody’s downgrades Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity from AAA to AA+.


And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was neutrinos

…so you see, Virginia, it’s just that Santa Claus is made of neutrinos.

The thing about faster-than-light jokes is that they never get old.

Neutrino wore Michael Phelps-style swimsuit.

Neutrinos had leaked info about iPhone 5 pre-sale.

Neutrinos on steroids. Disqualified.

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Well. Even if negative, the result does give us one important piece of information; the key to achieving interstellar flight IS NOTHING TO DO with the speed of light as a factor.

If it is an insurmountable barrier, then a way MUST be found to go around it. Wormhole technology may be just such a way.

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Word on the street is that they may be about to announce success in confirming the existence of the Higgs boson particle...

USA Today: Evidence of 'God particle' reportedly found

If only Einy were still around to give us the inside scoop!

Oh well, stay tuned...

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i have a really hard time believing this. faster than light jump LOL





"Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, farm boy. Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova, and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?" -HAN SOLO, Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope.

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