No. She should, to be polite, bring you a present. And, given the rather considerate nature of your gift to her, may feel the need to match it even if she has no romantic interest. You can talk to her to find out how she feels or waste time that could be spent happily dating her or chasing other girls if you find out she's not interested.

I know that, I understand the logic behind it and it makes perfect sense to just ask her. But it's like the "chopping off your arm to save your life" dilemma I mentioned earlier, no matter how much it makes sense and you know you should do it, sometimes it can simply be too hard.

Yeah, sorry hon. It's hard but the only way. Yes, she might say no. But saying no now saves you all the time you would have spent wondering about it and lets you spend it with girls who might be all about saying yes.

Forgot one....

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- Shaggy


Also, welcome to the forum!

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Does anyone have any stories about guys who have been able to escape the "friend zone?"

yeah, you stop being their friend, ignore them and move on...

...I meant by getting with the girl

i'm shure it has happened to some but its very rare, best to save yourself the effort and pain and let go as quickly as you can

Very rare. If you as a guy have been "deemed" a friend by a girl, you are probably NEVER going to leave it until SHE decides you're suddenly worthy of more. Women *usually* go by their first instincts, and to go back on them will compromise her as a woman (we girls are never wrong in our first impressions) in her circle.

Sure it happens, but unlikely Have many, many women friends.....and here and there I get the usual comment of "I just don't understand why you're single"

But everytime said woman is single...she can't date me me cause we're "only friends"

Boggles the mind

This does not bode well for me Everyone here is advising me to give up all hope, but I don't know how to do that when I spend three days a week at college with her. I'm also concerned that my oneitis might affect my chances with this girl I met online too.

Well, if you can't give up on her and you can't defriend her, you are going to have to make a move. And by this I mean ask her out, DO NOT confess your undying love for her!

Be forewarned that the most likely outcome is that she will feel put on the spot and try to reject you kindly yet will be very clumsy about it. After that, she will avoid you for at least a week, possibly months and forever is not out even out of the question. Depending on how valuable the platonic elements of your friendship are, she may or may not wish to continue it. Even if her excuse for not dating you was "I don't want to ruin our friendship." Regardless of how she plays it, your friendship will never be the same and at best she will be cordial but never as close.

Tl;dr, not a very optimistic prognosis. But it is at least possible that she may go out with you, in which case you just have to play it cool and don't act too clingy and otherwise play it by ear. Even though you will feel like she is a winning lottery ticket, it is best all around that she doesn't know that... at least until you've been together about six months. If she sticks it out that long, she is not likely to bolt at the first sign of true feelings.

At any rate, after you make a move... whatever happens, you will be effectively out of the friendzone and can move on with your life.

It's like jumping into a pool of cold water man... scary as fuck and will be shocking as hell to your system when you first hit the water, but only after you take the plunge can you adjust to the water temperature and move on from there.

Thanks for the advice, I really hope I will be able to follow it sometime. Because of my LS, "scary as fuck" is an understatement, I have never asked a girl out on a date and to do it with my oneitis girl makes it ten times harder. I would gladly jump into an ice bath 100 times over if I could get a result without having to go through the difficulty of asking her.