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PostPosted: 12 May 2012, 13:32 
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TOKYO — Japanese researchers on Friday unveiled a population clock that showed the nation's people could theoretically become extinct in 1,000 years because of declining birth rates.

Academics in the northern city of Sendai said that Japan's population of children aged up to 14, which now stands at 16.6 million, is shrinking at the rate of one every 100 seconds.

Their extrapolations pointed to a Japan with no children left within a millennium.

"If the rate of decline continues, we will be able to celebrate the Children's Day public holiday on May 5, 3011 as there will be one child," said Hiroshi Yoshida, an economics professor at Tohoku University.

"But 100 seconds later there will be no children left," he said. "The overall trend is towards extinction, which started in 1975 when Japan's fertility rate fell below two."

Yoshida said he created the population clock to encourage "urgent" discussion of the issue.

Another study released earlier this year showed Japan's population is expected to shrink to a third of its current 127.7 million over the next century.

Government projections show the birth rate will hit just 1.35 children per woman within 50 years, well below the replacement rate.

Meanwhile, life expectancy -- already one of the highest in the world -- is expected to rise from 86.39 years in 2010 to 90.93 years in 2060 for women and from 79.64 years to 84.19 years for men.

More than 20 percent of Japan's people are aged 65 or over, one of the highest proportions of elderly in the world.

Japan has very little immigration and any suggestion of opening the borders to young workers who could help plug the population gap provokes strong reactions among the public.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 37baca.4d1

Whose fault is such situation? Impossible standards of Japanese women influenced by feminism? The growing number of Japanese incels or herbivore men who shun sex/corporate slavery?

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TOKYO — Japanese researchers on Friday unveiled a population clock that showed the nation's people could theoretically become extinct in 1,000 years because of declining birth rates.

Academics in the northern city of Sendai said that Japan's population of children aged up to 14, which now stands at 16.6 million, is shrinking at the rate of one every 100 seconds.

Their extrapolations pointed to a Japan with no children left within a millennium.

"If the rate of decline continues, we will be able to celebrate the Children's Day public holiday on May 5, 3011 as there will be one child," said Hiroshi Yoshida, an economics professor at Tohoku University.

"But 100 seconds later there will be no children left," he said. "The overall trend is towards extinction, which started in 1975 when Japan's fertility rate fell below two."

Yoshida said he created the population clock to encourage "urgent" discussion of the issue.

Another study released earlier this year showed Japan's population is expected to shrink to a third of its current 127.7 million over the next century.

Government projections show the birth rate will hit just 1.35 children per woman within 50 years, well below the replacement rate.

Meanwhile, life expectancy -- already one of the highest in the world -- is expected to rise from 86.39 years in 2010 to 90.93 years in 2060 for women and from 79.64 years to 84.19 years for men.

More than 20 percent of Japan's people are aged 65 or over, one of the highest proportions of elderly in the world.

Japan has very little immigration and any suggestion of opening the borders to young workers who could help plug the population gap provokes strong reactions among the public.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 37baca.4d1

Whose fault is such situation? Impossible standards of Japanese women influenced by feminism? The growing number of Japanese incels or herbivore men who shun sex/corporate slavery?


I think its an awareness of how draining having children is for the women, combined with an apparent lack of interest with lots of men in Japan. To the best of my knowledge, unwed mothers are still frowned upon in the Japanese culture as well.

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On the flip side, the people won't be extinct even if such and such happened on Japan. There are still all those Japanese that immigrated to various parts of the world in years prior. Then there is the strong correlation between higher intelligence and stringing together the concept of the cost of raising a child. They've adopted to well to the limited land of an island. There are quite a few such islands that had their population in check at zero percent growth until spured by outsiders that infaticide or sending the surplus out to sea during hard times (the surplus grew up knowing they were surplus) changed to the same numbers leaving. There by simply pushing the burdon onto someone else. I think this was in the book Collapse, How Populations Choose to Fail or Succeed.


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This is nothing but an attempt by the liberal media to alarm the Japanese into changing their "racist" (i.e. selective) immigration policies. There is no crisis here. The nonbreeding ones will nonbreed themsleves right out of the gene pool. In a few generations, the average births per woman will pick right back up. It's a self-correcting problem.


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This is nothing but an attempt by the liberal media to alarm the Japanese into changing their "racist" (i.e. selective) immigration policies. There is no crisis here. The nonbreeding ones will nonbreed themsleves right out of the gene pool. In a few generations, the average births per woman will pick right back up. It's a self-correcting problem.


I hope that you are right. My country (Canada) has also quite a low birth rate, and sometimes I wonder about the future of our nation. Maybe this is just a cycle and will return to normal later? I completely disagree with the immigration "solution". Seems just like a way for liberals to commit genocides on indigenous ethnic groups.


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a factor is the cost of living in Japan. When I was there in 1998 with work for a month an espresso was equivelent to 18 dollars

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a factor is the cost of living in Japan. When I was there in 1998 with work for a month an espresso was equivelent to 18 dollars


I hear that the Japanese eat very little livestock meat, as the cost there is too prohibitive for most people.

When I was in Hawaii, the many Japanese nationals who visit Oahu were pounding down steaks like there was no
tomorrow and buying electronics that were still made in Japan back then, for a fraction of the cost at home.

It was legal for them transport these same Japanese-made items back home with no tax or import consequences too. :confused2:

As for espresso at 18 bucks for glorified coffee? No way!

I won't even pay 4 bucks for a cup of that crap Starbucks sells.

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It isn't cheap to be Japanese! They're maniacs anyways when it comes to work.......why would a cute japanese couple WANT to have children today? It's too expensive! Even if the government made "incentives" to procreate, the cost is too high with taxes, the heavily subsidized economy (they've been in a recession since 1990). Prices have to fall, and for the forseeable future that isn't going to happen. This is part of the problem. The mild xenephobia they have to other "asians" and their unique japanese-ness I am sure also hinders this. Lo ve them, but the japanese are a bit...you know. clinical. No hate....but you know.....

Even in the USA, our population has grown MOSTLY due to the fact of immigration. The birthrate for most Americans is falling too.

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If the Japanese or any other people who live in an advanced society would rather pursue pleasure and ease than sacrifice it all to raise kids, who can blame them?

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It seems that in Japan, love-shyness is a huge problem. Many men are virgins or almost have no sexual life. A large percentage of the population is single. I think this can be caused by shyness. I remember reading an article somewhere where there was a survey and like 90% of Japanese men are not satisfied at all with their sexual life. It's like they struggle to form relationships. This in turn can easily lead to a plummeting birth rate. I mean, how many full-grown men on this board have children? Very few I bet.

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If the Japanese or any other people who live in an advanced society would rather pursue pleasure and ease than sacrifice it all to raise kids, who can blame them?


I agree. That's a terrible mentality. I especially hate it when feminists brag about not having any kid and for being "liberated" women.


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It seems that in Japan, love-shyness is a huge problem. Many men are virgins or almost have no sexual life. A large percentage of the population is single. I think this can be caused by shyness.


most of the young men who have quit society that have been interviewed are shy ... but at the same time they're MGTOWs as well... the whole system
is based upon men attracting sex (education -> job -> house -> pussy) and since that path has become too long and too hard and too stressful
and too much those men started looking at what was in it for them... seeing it was only one thing aka woman/sex ... they decided to quit

Japanese education is hardcore... the corporations are also hardcore... buying property is too expensive... the women don't seem worth all that
and hence more guys are saying no

the whole hyper free market system is based on guys and sex... thats why when a guy goes MGTOW everyone else becomes very angry and starts
attacking him... of course this is bad for Japanese society... but the solution is simple: Japanese guys need to be treated better

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I_Fail_at_Life wrote:
It seems that in Japan, love-shyness is a huge problem. Many men are virgins or almost have no sexual life. A large percentage of the population is single. I think this can be caused by shyness.


most of the young men who have quit society that have been interviewed are shy ... but at the same time they're MGTOWs as well... the whole system
is based upon men attracting sex (education -> job -> house -> pussy) and since that path has become too long and too hard and too stressful
and too much those men started looking at what was in it for them... seeing it was only one thing aka woman/sex ... they decided to quit

Japanese education is hardcore... the corporations are also hardcore... buying property is too expensive... the women don't seem worth all that
and hence more guys are saying no

the whole hyper free market system is based on guys and sex... thats why when a guy goes MGTOW everyone else becomes very angry and starts
attacking him... of course this is bad for Japanese society... but the solution is simple: Japanese guys need to be treated better

You think we're going to see / have already seen a mass MGTOW movement in the West?


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Once the japanese start producing realistic sexbots, which I am sure will be soon, I think the birth crisis will get a whole lot worse.


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Stigmata wrote:
darwin wrote:
I_Fail_at_Life wrote:
It seems that in Japan, love-shyness is a huge problem. Many men are virgins or almost have no sexual life. A large percentage of the population is single. I think this can be caused by shyness.


most of the young men who have quit society that have been interviewed are shy ... but at the same time they're MGTOWs as well... the whole system
is based upon men attracting sex (education -> job -> house -> pussy) and since that path has become too long and too hard and too stressful
and too much those men started looking at what was in it for them... seeing it was only one thing aka woman/sex ... they decided to quit

Japanese education is hardcore... the corporations are also hardcore... buying property is too expensive... the women don't seem worth all that
and hence more guys are saying no

the whole hyper free market system is based on guys and sex... thats why when a guy goes MGTOW everyone else becomes very angry and starts
attacking him... of course this is bad for Japanese society... but the solution is simple: Japanese guys need to be treated better

You think we're going to see / have already seen a mass MGTOW movement in the West?


it is harder to say ... the Japanese are racist so the men can't just be hypogamus and find a woman from another Asian country... this gives Japanese
women a lot more monopoly than women in the west... there are still poorer European women who want to be hypergamus around ... but the effects
of globalisation aren't going to help that

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Stigmata wrote:
You think we're going to see / have already seen a mass MGTOW movement in the West?


Seems that way. Although MGTOW is not covered in the MSM, its happening more and
more as each day goes by and more men are screwed over in the Marriage-divorce racket
system. Word travels fast these days, so never-married men are flocking to it in droves too.

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